Earlier this afternoon, I sat down to discuss the new Defence White Paper with my colleagues Euan Graham, Director of the Lowy Institute's International Security program, and Sam Roggeveen, once a defence intelligence analyst and these days the Lowy Institute's Director of Digital.

In this podcast you'll hear headline judgments of the new paper from all three of us, analysis of the submarine decision, forecasts of regional reactions, discussion of where this White Paper sits in the perennial debate over expeditionary operations vs the defence of Australia, and assessments of the politics of the White Paper.

There's much more analysis of the White Paper to come on The Interpreter. Stay tuned!

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