On Monday the Lowy Institute,  in cooperation with the Indonesia Project at the Australian National University, hosted its regular Indonesia Mini Update, a half-day event bringing together experts to discuss Indonesia's politics, economy, security and foreign policy. 

One of the guests was Sidney Jones from the Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict, a respected analyst and commentator on terrorism and violent extremism in Indonesia.

Below you can hear her interview with the Lowy Institute's Anthony Bubalo on the ISIS phenomenon and its implications for Indonesia. It was particularly interesting to hear her talk about the oath of allegiance ceremonies being arranged by local groups allied to ISIS. The 2000-odd people who have taken the oath are pledging their primary loyalty to ISIS rather than to Indonesia, which is making Jakarta nervous.